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Outstanding As Usual On Their New CD, "We Are The Night," The Chemical Brothers' Block Rockin' Beat Goes On. America—Where Are You?
Published in the July 2007
issue of DJ Times Magazine
Volume 20 - Number 7
By Jim Tremayne
New York City—All the Chemical Brothers ever do is make great records. From their breakout bomb track “Song to the Siren” to its crossover pinnacle “Block Rockin’ Beats,” from ace collabs with Noel Gallagher to its much-licensed “Galvanize,” Tom Rowlands and Ed Simon have rarely made a misstep when it comes to quality control. Nearly 15 years on, they’re one of our great production duos—for dancefloors and beyond. Of course, whether or not America pays attention anymore is another story.
“Their moment,” of course, came in the late-1990s, when the music establishment tired of its post-grunge icons and took a hip tip for a minute. Their 1997 classic Dig Your Own Hole had hits on radio and MTV. Along with “electronica acts” Fatboy Slim, Underworld and Prodigy, the Chems were discovered by rock and rap fans who found their melding of enormo breakbeats and techno flourishes irresistible. Nonetheless, by 2001 “rock was back!” So the White Stripes, The Strokes and The Hives began to dominate stateside airwaves, and The Chemical Brothers—despite terrific Euro hits like “Let Forever Be,” “Hey Boy, Hey Girl” and “Star Guitar”—were mostly ignored, somehow relegated to cult status. The mainstream saw them as an exhausted fad, their sell-by date expired.
Around the world, however, the Chems remained festival favorites—their bring-the-studio live show remains an unrivaled psychedelic experience. Their albums and singles charted highly—between 1997’s Dig Your Own and 2005’s Push the Button, the duo scored four consecutive No.1 albums in the U.K.—and their increasingly rare DJ sets became must-see events. They never stopped what they were doing and they kept doing it better, their sound evolving with the times.
Their new album, We Are the Night (Astralwerks), is testament to this. The group’s best effort since 1999’s Surrender, the CD showcases its requisite dancefloor bombs (the minimal-cum-breakbeat “Saturate” and the pulsing whopper “Burst Generator”) along with some welcome collaborative surprises: the bumping single “Do It Again” (with Ali Love); the elegiac nugget “The Pills Won’t Help You Now” (with Midlake); the nervy “All Rights Reversed” (with The Klaxons) and the goofy party-starter “The Salmon Dance” (with Phatlip).
I caught up with them at the Astralwerks offices in lower Manhattan. We discussed DJing, the new digital frontiers, America’s dancefloor amnesia and their crafty new album. As usual, Simons and Rowlands were thoughtful, upbeat and humorous, even curious about the state of the New York club scene—a good hang. Welcome to DJ Times cover No. 5, fellas.
DJ Times: Alright, what’s up with “The Salmon Dance”? Are you guys gonna have the next dance craze?
Rowlands: You can see we’re edging into “The Macarena.” [laughs] We’d been working on the instrumental for quite a while and, for us, the groove was kind of…wrong. It was weird, but with cool beats, so we were imagining a rap on it. We loved records like Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde and we wondered what Phatlip could do with it, and he sort of did it justice in the strangeness department. It totally reminded us of Digital Underground or De La Soul, something weird, this sort of acid hip-hop, a humorous psychedelic thing. We were dancing around the studio—it just had this infectious thing about it.
Simons: It’s psychedelic hip hop. It’s a skit—it’s fun. It’s different from anything we’ve ever done. It seems to be going down very well. We’ve always wanted a track that had a dance attached to it.
DJ Times: I really like that tune “Saturate,” which sounds like you guys were in Berlin and said, “We like this minimal thing—but only for about 45 seconds…” That drop is pretty huge.
Simons: [Laughs] It’s kind of got every kind of music in it. It’s got big psychedelic rock drums, it’s got that minimal riff, almost a dubstep feel to the main groove and that German click to it. We didn’t start out to make it that way, but that’s how it turned out. We played it in a club the other day and I’ve never seen such a reaction to a drop…
Rowlands: Oh, come on…
Simons: [Laughs] Alright, I’ve seen a few, but it was quite a reaction to a record. We put it out as a “Battle Weapon” and we had DJs like Andrew Weatherall playing it. I walked into the studio and Tom had that little motif going…
Rowlands: It was just that feeling in the studio of “this works.” Our ideas are keen to what’s going on [in the clubs] and obviously these things filter into how we make records. But we don’t necessarily want to make records like other people do—we want to make them how we make them.
DJ Times: Well, no matter what you come up with, it always sounds like the Chemical Brothers.
Simons: We don’t slavishly follow the records that other people are making, but we are inspired by them, while doing our own thing.
DJ Times: Coming into this record, what were some of the club records that you were digging?
Simons: I liked “Doppelwhipper” by Gabriel Ananda. I like Matthew Dear’s records—the Audion stuff. We’re really reticent about name-checking—but we respect these artists and we play these records when we DJ. Also, Abe Duke, the guy who remixed our “Galvanize,” we’re very keen on him. Also, Ewan Pearson is still making great records.
DJ Times: You’re still making “Electronic Battle Weapons” vinyl.
Simons: Yeah, we make dance tracks and press them up as a 12-inch and they don’t have a name on them. Everyone knows it’s the Chemical Brothers. When we started, we had the aim of pressing up 700 copies of a record to get them to people who loved dance music, whether they were DJs or people who hang out in record shops. It’s just a slab of vinyl. We’re not keen to get it on the radio. We just want a direct relationship with nightclubs and DJs. Just doing that series just divorces us from all the machinations of the Chemical Brothers—the albums, the shows, the videos. It’s still important to us. It’s where we started with “Song for the Siren,” with 800 copies pressed up and distributed to DJs. While the music world has completely changed with digital distribution, there are people who still hang around record shops every Friday afternoon to get chunks of dance music to groove to on the weekend.
DJ Times: Getting back into the newer tracks, “We Are the Night” sounds like Ian Curtis crooning from the grave.
Rowlands: Really? The sampled voice is Bill Bissett, this Canadian beat poet, reciting “Ode to d.a. levy.”
Simons: The inspiration for that track was a crazy show we did in an anarchist squat in Bern, Switzerland, which had a certain history. We could only set up the gear in certain places because the squatters declared it free—it was a pretty crazy place and it had been going since the 1960s. So we tried to imagine the music as groovy, hippie, electronic, squat-party music, but updated to now.
DJ Times: And “The Pills Won’t Help You Now” with Midlake really recalls Brian Eno. It’s got that delicate melody, but by the time you hear the song twice, it’s really stuck to you.
Simons: It’s a powerful, emotional piece of music. We got a really great vocal and we had to come up with a production to do that justice.
DJ Times: You’ve become well-known for your collaborations with people like Noel Gallagher, Beth Orton and others. What’s your process there?
Rowlands: It always starts with an idea for a song and then, when we’re working on it, you have to imagine someone singing on it. And then the next step is to find someone who we think will enjoy it or will connect with it, or be inspired by it. We experiment and get in touch with people. Sometimes people come in with a full-formed song with verses and chorus worked out, and then other times people come in with an idea that doesn’t really work—then together we try to make it work. With the Klaxons [on “All Rights Reversed”], we had a day to do it because they were on tour and it was a now-or-never kind of thing. We just thrashed it out—they’d have an idea, then we’d have an idea and we’d piece it together until we had it done.

DJ Times: How often do you two DJ anymore?
Simons: Only about eight times a year. We try to make it special when we play. We play on New Years Eve. We play in Italy quite a lot. Now we feel if we’re going to be away from home, we’ll play live. We’ll bring our studio and the whole production. We still love DJing, but it’s become less intrinsic to the way we live our lives. The fact that we do it more infrequently makes it more special. We used to spend our lives in dance record shops tracking down records and that’s what made our DJing special—we had these very, very special records. It’s not quite how we operate now. But we still find good records and we have pretty good connections and we play a lot of our own records and special things that we’ve made. But to be a DJ who plays every week, to do justice to the kids dancing in the clubs, you’ve got to be in the shops all the time.
Rowlands: It’s good to DJ when you’re working in the studio, too. So we have lots of different versions of tracks and edits to test out. When you come to hear us, you’ll hear special things that you won’t hear anywhere else.
DJ Times: Considering the production and artist career you’ve enjoyed, how did your DJing in your early years inform what you’re doing now?
Simons: Tom has been a musician since I’ve known him—I’m not a musician at all. Our bond was formed by buying records together and playing those records in Manchester. That’s how the Chemical Brothers came about. [Being DJs is] important to our sound, but it’s not our primary thing. It’s one of the many things that we do that feeds into being the Chemical Brothers. I’m really glad that we’ve had the experience of DJing and it’s helped us make a particular style of music and be interested in that. But it’s like a chicken-and-egg thing with us.
Rowlands: I think it’s good because it makes you really tuned into how people react to music. The technical aspect of DJing is important, but knowing when to play records…that’s the real skill of the great DJ, knowing when to play records and knowing what records to play.
Simons: You see the difference between the great DJs and other DJs who just play the big tracks and it’s just a soulless procession. The crowd might go mad, but it’s not really fulfilling. People just get tired out. We appreciate the art of the warm-up DJ, the DJ who knows how to build an atmosphere. Sometimes we play live and the DJ playing before us is playing all these massive records and it doesn’t work at all. Other people have an amazing idea about how to do it. It’s just a skill.
DJ Times: Which DJs inspired you?
Rowlands: When we first started DJing, we’d been to the Haçienda and these big clubs and we were seeing big DJs like Mike Pickering and Graeme Park at the time. They were brilliant because they would play weird hip-hop records, then acid house, then house, then move it around. That’s always been a massive inspiration—that you can take chances. I like to be surprised on the dancefloor.
DJ Times: What’s in your DJ booth?
Simons: We use two turntables, two Pioneer CDJ-1000s and a Cycloops looping unit. We don’t use mixer effects too much because we spend our lives in studios and we hope the records have enough excitement in them. I get a bit tired of that phasing sound, the filtered sound. The records should have the energy already. But it’s cool—people can do whatever they like. We like looping stuff.
DJ Times: A mixer?
Simons: Just something that we can figure out the monitoring arrangement when we come on.
Rowlands: A lot of DJs like to build up their role by making it more complicated than it is. We get that out of our system by playing live and taking our studio with us—that’s the chance to do intricate things like changing arrangements and making up things as they happen.
Simons: DJing is simple—it’s a box of records and CDs. But, sure, some DJs are amazing when you see them walk up with their laptop and all that—effects and stuff. It can still work.
DJ Times: Do you think that the digital, laptop DJs lose connection with the audience?
Simons: I like to watch the records go ’round—it might sound stupid. I don’t mind what other people do. It’s like when we play live, we’re somehow deemed boring because it’s somehow less intrinsically interesting to sweep a filter on a keyboard than it is to play a guitar. So it’s a bit hard to say that a DJ on Ableton with a laptop is less interesting than a DJ with a crossfader and two turntables. That’s just the way we started off.
Rowlands: If you’re in a club and you’re worrying about what format a DJ is playing, then the DJ isn’t really doing his job.
Simons: I’ve seen DJs play wicked sets on Ableton and wicked sets on CD decks. I mean, we come from an era when people could barely mix the records—get four bars together and bang ’em in. And you didn’t even notice it at the time, but obviously it’s incredible when you see someone like Errol Alkan play, spinning plates, keeping three things going like Carl Cox. It’s fantastic, but it still should be about the records you play.
DJ Times: Some DJs like Carl Cox and Danny Howells really have a connection with the audience.
Simons: Everyone’s got their own personality, their own take on it. Some have that Zen calmness. The thing I like about Andy Weatherall is that you never see him get a record out of his box. It just appears. [Laughs.]
DJ Times: Where do you buy your music?
Simons: I don’t buy downloads or promo links. I buy physical vinyl from a record shop in London. Having music that only exists on your iTunes doesn’t do anything for me. I appreciate it, but I’m just a generation removed from that. I remember we were in a hotel, playing a big dance festival in Spain, and Felix Da Housecat had lost his records and he was walking around with AIM on a mobile phone and Soulwax had just sent him loads of records on AIM. I thought that it was mind-blowing, just brilliant. And he just goes back to the room and burns them. Everyone does their own thing, but having a bunch of CDs with my scribbling on them just doesn’t make much sense personally.
DJ Times: So you don’t have the emotional attachment to the digital format?
Simons: Well, we’re not Luddites [laughs]. It’s whatever it takes to rock the house, really.
Rowlands: I wouldn’t not play a record because it was an MP3. If it was a good track and it’s the right time to play it, then let’s play it.
DJ Times: Is there something in the studio you just can’t live without?
Simons: An AMS delay and harmonizer [AMS DMX-15-80S], an effects box from the 1980s.
Rowlands: We use Logic, MPCs and a variety of sequencers. We thought about changing over to Ableton Live, but we decided not to because we wanted to keep the same tactile feel to our show. Our main thing when we play live is that we’ve got our sequencers and drum machines along with our 32-channel mixing board. So we arrange things with the parts, really.
Simons: You have all these sounds running up the board and you can chop the drums of this track or the bass of that track or the sample from there and we’ll be flying sequences in live.
DJ Times: I’m assuming your new show will still big into video, right?
Simons: Yeah, we have a huge video-and-light show. We try to make it sensory overload for people. We work with designers. Like any touring band, we have people who make visuals and little films for us. We have lighting designers, of course. We want to make it a psychedelic experience in those rooms that might be a bit drab, like a big theater in Cologne or the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York. We’re trying to make it an experience onstage that’s as overpowering as the music we make.
DJ Times: Always works for me. What do you make of the American dance market anymore?
Rowlands: Don’t even know what that means, really.
Simons: We played Coachella in 2005 and we felt a lot of appreciation for our band and our music. We’re just trying to find those moments again, get our records on radio. Our opportunities to play here have diminished, but there are people in this country who love what we do. It’s just trying to find a place where they all come out and enjoy it.
Rowlands: In Europe, you have the festival scenario where you can go from place to place and people are up for it, up for the party. You can play three dates in a weekend.
Simons: In ’99 and ’97, there was a lot of attention on us. In ’95, we were touring with just a little setup, but it’s become really involved in what we do. We want as many people to see us and listen to us as possible, but it’s become a bit tricky.
Rowlands: We still want to do the gigs that we’re famous for in Europe, Japan and South America. If we don’t do that in America, it doesn’t seem right to us.
Simons: Memorably, some of the best shows we’ve done have been in America. When Dig Your Own Hole came out, there was so much excitement around us and we played Denver’s Red Rocks with Fatboy Slim, which was amazing, then we did Big Bear Mountain with Orbital, The Orb and Underworld. The times we had and the fun was amazing.
DJ Times: If you were going to suggest a career path to a young DJ these days, what would you say?
Simons: In all earnestness? Law school [laughs]. No, have a party with your friends and see where go from there. If you can’t make your friends dance…
Rowlands: Chuck D said that you’ve got to rock your own block first and then you can move on from there.
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