New
York City – It’s 6 a.m. on Saturday morning
in Manhattan’s Club Vinyl, and the place is as packed
as it’s been all night. Forty-somethings, their Paradise
Garage roots showing, share the floor with glowstick-bearing
teens and pin-straight, muscle-bound Jersey boys, their
blonde girlfriends teetering on Lucite heels. Chelsea
boys vogue alone or in tight circles, while a handful
of Euro tourists look on in some giddy form of awe.
Vinyl has no air conditioning, no proper lounge (just
a side room with some folding chairs), no exclusive
V.I.P. area (a tight back room with a window onto the
floor). The system is loud and indelicate; the light
rig is about eight-fixtures strong. But the atmosphere
in the sweaty room is electric, and the man in the elevated
booth is the reason why.
Danny Tenaglia removes his baseball cap and wipes his
head, squinting into the darkness to watch individual
faces. He knows that Twilo’s closed tonight – a police
raid based on minor building code violations has kept
the NYC superclub padlocked the entire week, with a
court date still some time off – and that a lot of that
club’s dedicated patrons, some even wearing their Twilo-branded
T-shirts and hats, have decided to give Vinyl a tumble.
Since his President’s Day gig with Carl Cox, a transcendent
night which shattered all of Twilo’s prior attendance
records, Tenaglia has become a name on par with van
Dyk and Digweed in the minds of the Twilo faithful,
most of them kids still in the honeymoon phases of their
clubbing careers. Most didn’t expect the dynamic, eclectic,
progressive set that Tenaglia delivered – he was, as
one young patron muttered on the bathroom line, “for
the old people; Cox is for us.” But that same kid stood
dazed on the dancefloor 10 hours later, shell-shocked
almost by the sheer power of modern house music’s elder
statesman; his ability to steer an entire crowd willingly
in his chosen direction, whether it be through light
garage or clanging techno or dark trance. He was hooked.
Tenaglia
understands this new role of musical emissary – he’s
remixing Billy Nichols’ “Give Your Body Up To The Music,”
a West End record and originally a Larry Levan remix
– with the express purpose of bringing it to a whole
new generation. He sprinkles even his progressive sets
with vintage house samples, vocal and otherwise. The
Vinyl crowd is now almost entirely in DT’s hands – he
drops Kings of Tomorrow’s lilting vocal cut “Finally”
between two percussive stormers, and not one dancer
misses a beat. It’s time for some Depeche Mode: “Dream
On” into his own remix of “I Feel Loved,” right into
the drum-heavy dub. Dancing around the booth with abandon,
he mugs with a red, heart-shaped pillow with arms, straight
from Ikea’s children’s department, which had sat calmly
on a chair in his home studio just three days earlier.
Soon it’s in the hands of an eager dancer, and this
small interaction with the crowd, in addition to the
recognizable tunes, is all the room one needs to take
flight. There’s not a Twilo T-shirt in sight on the
sidelines.
Danny
Tenaglia’s career has moved in phases – from the gay-centered
vibe of his Miami days and New York stint at Roxy; to
his experimental period as a resident at Twilo; to the
hard-house intensity of his time at Tunnel (when DJ
Times last caught up with him). Each step along the
way, he’s picked up new sounds and added them to his
repertoire, both as a producer and a DJ. And most of
the time, his residencies haven’t been able to keep
up with him: Tenaglia knew that minimal techno wouldn’t
fly with an anthem-crazy John Blair crowd at Twilo,
or that groovy house just wouldn’t sit right at Tunnel’s
D-Tour party. If you hear him tell it, it’s only at
Vinyl that all the pieces have come together (despite
its own brief NYPD-enforced shutdowns). This speaks
as much to the club as to DT’s establishment as an artist:
People don’t come to Vinyl or to Miami’s Space over
Winter Music Conference to hear a particular genre of
dance music, or just to party – they come to hear Danny
Tenaglia, knowing full well that that could be anything
at any time. DT has transcended type and category –
he is his own.
Two
hours later, the crowd at Vinyl has thinned a bit, but
the dancefloor’s front line, stationed right below the
DJ booth, is still inhabited by the same faces. Tenaglia
looks out, smiles, and grabs for the mic, something
he does frequently over the course of the night. “Now
this is a Vinyl crowd,” he says, promptly dropping Cevin
Fisher’s “Love You Some More.” The dancers cheer, blow
kisses, and hug, settling in for another two hours of
whatever Tenaglia feels like playing, because that’s
exactly what they’re there to hear.
DJ
Times: How have things changed for you musically
since your last DJ Times cover in September 1998?
Danny
Tenaglia: Tunnel was the most progressive and aggressive
I’ve ever played. A lot of it I liked, but most of it
I didn’t like, because when I wanted to get deep, I
couldn’t. They allowed me that, the owners. Peter Gatien
and the staff were like, “Do your thing,” but as a professional
DJ I knew I couldn’t. I could have, theoretically. I
could have done it if I wanted to, and there were times
when I did, after I was there for a while. They knew
I wasn’t trying to clear the place out. But I was only
playing part of what I liked. Now I’m 100-percent what
I want to be.
DJ
Times: It’s interesting that what’s popular now
in house music is similar to what you were playing at
Tunnel.
Tenaglia:
We could go back further and say even more so at Twilo
– that was when that really all started for me. I was
getting turned on to a lot of artists that are now becoming
famous, like Timo Maas, Pascal F.E.O.S., Tilt. I look
back now on some of my songs, and I’m like, “Oh my God,
that was Timo back then,” I didn’t really realize it,
you know? Back when I was there, Basement Jaxx were
brand new on the scene, Daft Punk, that album had just
come out, so I was bringing that sound in. I was helping
[general manager] Mike Bindra somewhat – I was doing
Fridays as well, informing him of who was hot at the
moment, ’cause he had started to do the whole international
booking thing. We brought Basement Jaxx in, Daft Punk
in, DJ Pierre and Tom Stefan, a lot of people to open
for me, play with me.
DJ
Times: What was it like spinning in New York during
that time?
Tenaglia:
Right before I played at Twilo, I got a slot at Roxy.
Twilo was pretty new at the time, and Roxy was dying
at like 6 a.m. and everyone was going to Twilo, and
I was doing really well at Roxy, and then Twilo was
kinda like, not that they didn’t know who I was, but
they were like, “Let’s get this Danny guy and maybe
he can kick our afterhours in,” ’cause they just weren’t
doing big business for them afterhours. Which it turned
out to be the same thing for me, when Junior [Vasquez]
was over at Arena, because everyone was going to Arena,
for that late afternoon, 4,000, 5,000-people party.
But I took the job at Twilo. I was there for 14 months,
and in that 14 months, I was very experimental. There
were times when I brought in all different promoters,
from John Blair and Mark Berkley, to have that whole
7-a.m.-at-Roxy crowd, which I knew I had to cater to
somewhat, to do my job, to keep them there. But overall,
I was now embracing this whole new minimal tribal-tech,
progressive sound, that was really entertaining to my
ears, but it was difficult to play. I couldn’t play
it whenever I wanted. And then come like 7, 8 a.m.,
when it was like, “Alright, this is where I’m going,”
and at this time I was starting to conceive ideas, like
my track “Elements,” I was getting inspired to make
a song like that, the crowd basically didn’t want it,
the majority.
DJ
Times: Why not?
Tenaglia:
This was when also the city was peaking with that anthem
sound, that New York anthem sound, and I was totally
not embracing it, I was totally moving in the opposite
direction, and here I was in a room that probably wanted
to hear it the most, ’cause a lot of the core gay crowd,
they’re pretty segregated, they want to be where all
the other gay people are, and a lot of them didn’t really
want to be at Arena, because there were a lot of straight,
Tunnel-y, Peter Gatien kids in there. So they would
only get the real afterhour gay crowd that just wanted
to stay out. So I would give them, like, maybe, “Unbreak
My Heart” – I didn’t hate them all, but I was not going
to play one after the other. So, like, by 7, 8 a.m.,
we started fizzling down. Pretty much by 10 a.m. we
were done at Twilo, and that’s when the whole situation
happened where Twilo went to meet with Junior, and they
were in negotiations to bring him back, and then he
declined, and then they tried to get me back, and then
I said no, and that went on for like six weeks, back
and forth. Then I went back, and then he decided six
weeks later to say yes. I think they had known by then
that NYU was going to buy the [Palladium] building.
Whatever worked out, I’m happy it all worked out the
way it did, in the long run. From there, Junior came
on, and then I left. That’s when I went to Tunnel; we
both started the same night on 27th Street, and it was
fun. I just chalked it up as a new experience, faced
it head-on. I wasn’t like, bitter. I’ve been doing this
so many years. I love Vinyl so much, and I’ve been there,
in January it was two years, but if it ended tomorrow,
I know that possibility’s there. You don’t know if the
owner’s going to sell the building, the cops are gonna
raid it, whatever with this city. Some idiot might mess
it up for all of us, you know, with abuse, and I’ll
walk away from that with a smile.
DJ Times: What do you think of what’s happening
with that, like with Twilo getting closed? The city
is getting them on technicalities now...
Tenaglia:
Well, I think the people are really not opening up their
eyes enough to realize that they’re the ones that are
messing it up for themselves in the long run – both
the Friday night and Saturday night crowds, as well
as every other club, not only in New York, but anywhere.
You see so much stuff out in the open that I can’t believe
it. It’s really the people that are doing it to themselves.
What do you call it, “cutting off their nose to spite
their face”? I’ve made announcements to the crowd. We’re
just not tolerating it. I don’t care if we know you;
if we’re best friends. If you’re caught doing something
out in the open – we’d much rather you not be doing
anything at all; let the music be your drug – but we
understand you’re going to do things, but don’t do it
here, ’cause you’ll be escorted out. And don’t even
say, “I know Danny, I know Kevin.” Last month, I happened
to be at Twilo. Timo Maas was opening up on a Saturday
night. When Junior came on he made an announcement about,
“Please stop this GHB stuff, because I want to keep
my job, we don’t want this place to close.” To me there’s
a lot more than GHB, you know. It’s like, “What about
K? What about crystal?” I was happy to hear him really
honestly stop the music and really make such an impact.
I think that me and him are the only people really who
have that type of personality, where we will get on
the microphone, not be shy. This is entertainment, and
we’re the voice of a lot of people. I don’t really know
what else is going on behind the scenes with the city.
They do have lawsuits against Twilo, that whole cooling-down
room thing, whatever. They do have shit against them.
So I wish them luck.
DJ
Times: Does that affect what you do at all? Is there
any sense that it will go away, at least in New York?
Tenaglia: I don’t think it will ever end fully.
For me, what I do musically, I’ve always considered
underground. I think there will always be a place for
me. It may not be a mega-nightclub. But I’ll take my
party to Jackie 60 and play for 50 people, and be just
as happy. Of course, I’d have to travel and make money
in other cities. It would be unfortunate that I’d lose
that here in New York, a weekly residency that I can
make a decent living from. I’d have to start traveling
more often. But I’d still do small venues, like maybe
the basement of Centro-Fly. I’d do a night there, something
like that. I would still continue to work.
DJ
Times: How has Vinyl changed since you started?
Tenaglia:
I think it’s changed like I see every club change. There’s
always new generations of people turning around, who
all of sudden now turn 21, or who have been turned on
to a nightclub for the first time, and that whole word-of-mouth
thing, “bring a friend, bring a friend.” Mainly how
I’ve seen it change is more than any club I’ve worked
at I’ve seen and felt this intimacy and love from a
dancefloor like I never had before in NYC. It’s an experience
I thought I never would experience in New York, going
back to my days of witnessing parties at the Paradise
Garage, parties where people would really feel it in
their soul, that it wasn’t a liquor club and it wasn’t
shows, go-go dancers, that whole thing I often talk
about. There were no distractions; it was about the
music, and that’s what I think has changed for me and
for a lot of people. When they go to other clubs – they
might go to Sound Factory and Twilo and Roxy and Exit,
and have a great time – but when they come to Vinyl
they sense this difference. There’s that non-segregation
– there is black, white, gay, straight, young and old,
everything. It’s the only room in New York that can
do that, not only on my night, but on the other nights
as well. So it’s a very special room, and I think having
the past that I have, knowing how to play from that
classic approach, that room just seems to have that
magic. That’s why I call it the only room left with
that magic of what the Garage was about, and that’s
what that room was originally built around, trying to
be like the Garage. People come, they witness it for
the first time, they get the vibe from the other people
on the floor – they might not know the music, but they
get it, and that’s a part of me. I play from midnight
to 10 a.m., maybe every other week I try to give new
DJs a shot. I have no problem getting on the microphone
and welcoming everybody, make it like a little house
party kind of thing.
DJ
Times: As you get that younger element, is that
affecting what you spin? Peak hour seems a bit techier...
Tenaglia:
No, that’s just me going with what I’m feeling. To me,
every hour’s a peak hour, honestly, I really feel that.
Every hour is a peak hour. If I was playing Karen Ramirez
“Didn’t Know I Was Looking for Love,” that’s not tech-y
or progressive, but the crowd will go crazy just the
same. “Finally,” the K.O.T. record, that’s a Body &
Soul kind of record, black female diva vocal. Or the
Depeche Mode, that’s just my remix, what I’m absorbing,
and with my whole past going into it, but it’s not really
tribal tech-house. That’s a peak style, too, so, yeah,
I think of course I represent a more hands-in-the-air
type attitude than others, and I want to keep that consistent
for a few songs, but I never stay on the same style
for more than five, six songs. It’s a cycle.
DJ
Times: Do you think dance is going to keep growing
to the point where it’s, like, kids spinning in the
garage instead of having a band? Is it better to stay
underground?
Tenaglia:
I love it. The last time I went to Sam Ash I saw DJ
in a Box – you get two turntables and a mixer for $299.
I was like, “Where was that when I was 16?” Yes, I do
hear that often, that DJ and CD set-ups are outselling
guitars and keyboards, but I still think it’s gonna
be rough, no matter what. The bottom-line is talent,
and I think a lot of the kids that do want this today
want it more for the hip-hop mentality, drum-n-bass,
scratching and all that. I’d say that’s a large percentage
of that. Some might want to do mobile, do parties, instead
of being in a band and playing an instrument. For me,
what I do and the reason why I prefer to see it remain
underground is because the kind of music I play never
really got proper radio support in America. There’s
no Pete Tong or Danny Rampling in America, and unless
we have that, what I do is never gonna fully be understood.
So it’s like, to me, if I can make a good living and
be happy, I think it just makes what I do more special.
DJ
Times: Why doesn’t it get understood?
Tenaglia: I think if we take a song – let’s take
“Plasmids,” by Tata Box Inhibitors, alright? Who the
heck knows that? It came out years ago on a great label,
Touché, I love all their stuff. Imagine that stuff being
played on the radio. Now, Oscar G just did a remix of
“Plasmids,” and soon as I put it on the place goes nuts,
with that whole punchy tribal thumpin’ sound. A lot
of people don’t know what it is yet, but they respond
to it as this Danny, tribal-esque, Vinyl-type-sounding
record. If that got played on the radio here in America,
it wouldn’t come across, first of all, because it’s
not song-oriented – verse-chorus-verse-chorus – and
a lot of the music doesn’t have vocals. But even the
ones that do – if they were played on the radio here
10 times a day, I probably wouldn’t want to play them.
I figure, well, you can hear that on the radio, and
there are so many great records being made today, I’m
going to focus on the ones that need and deserve the
attention. So, with something like Oscar G’s mix of
the Karen Ramirez [“Looking For Love”], what are the
chances that that’s going to be played on the radio?
Nothing. But if it did, if they played it every day,
I’d stop playing it. Because by then, it’s like, alright,
I get so many records in the mail; so many people are
making great tracks that just appeal to me. And now
there’s all this modern technology, where for $1,000
you can buy computer software programs that have drum
machines and synths. I mean, I have this program called
Reason [by Propellerhead] that has your console, your
patch bay – you’ve got everything. I couldn’t believe
some of the sounds. I did a track on that in my house
for the Conference. I was doing stuff in here and stuff
in the house as well, and going back and forth. So to
me that’s where the future’s at – kids buying not only
Technics, but buying computers, and not just PlayStation
sequencer-type stuff. People are going to be making
tracks, and some are gonna be redundant, and some are
going to be instant gems, like, “Wow, you did that?
Your first song ever? I hate you.”
DJ
Times: Do you think that the reason for going to
clubs has changed?
Tenaglia: I think there are probably two main
reasons why people go out; for many people, both reasons
apply. People want to escape their lives – it might
be their jobs, their school, their family, their home
life, and that weekend, it can be one or both nights,
of just losing it on the dance floor to solid, pumping
music, is their way of releasing the stress. And the
second reason is because they truly love the music;
they really love hearing these songs and hearing what’s
coming out of the speakers, and it’s making their entire
week. That’s the type of person I was. I didn’t have
a bad home life; I love my family. My main reason was
I just loved the music so much, I wanted to be part
of it. Every aspect used to intrigue me. Like, how does
the music come out the speaker? It’s like how you look
at a 747, like “How does that get off the ground?” That
was me in a club. I was just so intrigued by it all,
but more than anything the music really touched my soul.
I was one of those people who could really be brought
to tears.
DJ
Times: Does that still happen?
Tenaglia: I wish I could say yes. There are so
many DJs I respect and admire today; I just never get
to hear them because of our schedule. But if John Digweed
played every Saturday in New York, I’d be out. And so
many other DJs, I can’t even go into the list of names.
There are so many that inspire me; even the ones that
aren’t so popular. I’ve met so many DJs in other countries
that I’ve never heard of, they just happened to be playing
on my night off, it’s like, “Who the hell is this guy?
He’s phenomenal.” This last year alone, going to Ibiza
and hearing music by Peace Division and Halo and Hipp-e,
San Francisco picking up on that funky, percussive vibe.
That really takes it right back to the Garage days.
And I know, I know, in my heart of hearts, that if the
Garage was open today, Silicon Soul, “Right On, Right
On,” would be massive, massive, and so many other records
I play. Some DJs might disagree, but I know, ’cause
I was there. Don’t tell me; I know Larry would be playing
this. Larry wasn’t afraid to play The Clash, or Madonna,
Tom Tom Club – it wasn’t considered alternative or punk
rock, it was just dance music. It was either good or
it wasn’t. If he liked it, he played it. Kraftwerk came
out, he played it. Nobody slagged him and said, “Larry’s
a techno DJ.” I know some people in the business have
talked about me and said, “Oh, Danny’s a trance DJ now,
or techno.” Call it what you want. Say what you wanna
say. I’ll just move on, smile, play my music.
DJ Times: How have CDs changed what you do?
Tenaglia:
CDs are a Godsend for me. I used to travel with a lot
of acetates, and not only are they heavy, but they wear
out, and God forbid, you wouldn’t want to lose them.
And now I have the capabilities of traveling with two
boxes of records, and all my really important, private
stuff on CD, and each one holds 74, 80 minutes. If I
carry two books of that, 200 CDs each, I’ve got an incredible
collection on the road with me. I have tons of a cappellas
with me at all times, sound effects, everything’s loaded
up right on cue. To do that with a record, it’s work.
It’s already work – locate that CD, put it in, cue it
up. But to have it on acetate, to cue it back, the needle
would keep skipping; acetates are not friendly that
way. So for me, CDs, as far as looping, that master
tempo feature, I love it. I’d say 50-percent of my night
is CDs. Even if I buy the record, I’ll burn it on CD.
DJ
Times: How do you determine what to burn and what
to keep on vinyl?
Tenaglia:
A lot of the songs I like might be originally recorded
at maybe 130 BPM or above, and sometimes I like them
at 124, 126. If you pitch it down on the turntable,
you’re gonna notice the pitch in the vocals, whereas
on a CD player with master tempo you won’t notice that.
Especially with classics – you can play a Michael Jackson
record, if it was originally at 118, at 127, and he’s
still in the same key. I’ve done that a lot. Even with
a slower record, like a Sade or something, at 100, 102,
it’s a little slow – to play it at 110 but hear it in
the same key, a lot of people don’t realize it. But
if you said, “Listen, this is it normal! Now listen
to it plus-eight! It’s still in the same key!” I played
Wham! at the end of the night at Twilo two weeks ago,
when I played with Digweed. I played “Everything She
Wants,” by Wham! That’s probably a record I’ve never
played. I happened to get a compilation CD; I’ve been
buying CDs. I’m not a fan of Wham! I’m not a fan of
George Michael. You know, I mean, respect – “Wake Me
Up Before You Go-Go,” yeah. But I always liked the song
“Everything She Wants.” Larry used to play it at the
Garage. I’ve never played the song in my life. But I
went to Satellite and I heard a bootleg of it. I didn’t
like it; someone put drums over the original, sped up.
I’m like, you know what, I’m going to go buy the original
CD, and use the Master Tempo feature. So at the end
of the [set] all the lights were on, I’m bringing it
down to some classics. I pulled out like Jon Secada,
“Just Another Day.” I can’t believe that I pulled stuff
out like that. But I make it special. I load the CD,
and I loop the intro, and people might hear the drums
of Jon Secada, and they’re not sure if it’s going to
be “Keep On Moving” by Soul II Soul, because that’s
where the sample’s from, but with the Master Tempo feature,
I play it faster. And I did the same thing with Wham!
So I’d say for a good solid minute, you’re hearing the
intro drums of Wham!, and whoever caught it is saying,
[incredulously] “Is he playing Wham? I know that it’s
Wham! – that mother-fer is looping it; is he going to
release it and let it play, or is he just teasing us
with those drums and going to segue into something else?”
And then sure enough I release it, and then you hear
George Michael [laughs], and the place lights up.
DJ
Times: I hear you’ve been going out a lot more this
year.
Tenaglia: I think it has to do with me being
off on Saturdays. I have the option of going to Twilo
or Sound Factory or Roxy. I like all the other DJs;
I might not like everything they’re playing, but if
I’m there for two hours, and they play three, four songs
that I don’t know, that made my night. Those four songs,
not only did I enjoy hearing them, but if I seek them
out and find them, they’re going to be a really important
part of my set, too, and that’s what it’s all about.
When you go to hear Paul Oakenfold or Paul van Dyk,
how can you not respect that 2,000 people are throwing
their hands in the air to that? People like it. You
can’t knock it.
DJ Times: What do see your position is in dance
music now? You’ve really done this incredible job of
not being able to be lumped together with any of the
other DJs; not even stylistically or in terms of their
skills, but a lot of people think of Carl Cox and Sasha
and all those guys in the same breath, because they’re
presented in a similar way. But you’ve managed to do
it so that you’re really selective. How did you do that,
and where do you think that leaves you in the grand
scheme?
Tenaglia: I think it was all the years of doing
this and pretty much doing it my way. I never really
went into it to be a DJ like Carl Cox – there really
was no one to look up to. I was just this little kid
who loved music so much, but liked what I liked. I guess
it’s kind of like comparing me to the Cocteau Twins
– how many great albums do they have out, and yet they’re
still underground. They just did what they wanted to
do. They didn’t want to be a trendy little pop band.
That was me – everybody loved playing certain songs,
and I liked the B-sides. I always went that extra mile
to make it more interesting. When someone asks me to
describe my style, I tell them, “Well, I thought I described
it on my first album when I called it Hard and Soul.”
They said, “We know it’s hard and soul, but what do
you consider it?” I said, “I don’t know what to call
it,” and they said, “Ten words or less,” and I gave
them exactly ten words. I called it, “tribal tech-house-trance,
with a modern yet classic approach.” Just 10 words.
I repeat myself when it comes to this type of question,
because that’s what I’m doing. I’m just continually
embracing modern technology. I’m loving what the 19-year
olds are doing. I love what Carl Cox is doing. I love
Francois [Kevorkian]; I love what all these legendary
people are doing. I’m just sucking it all in from different
countries, cities, different DJs, locally or not. It
could be all these different styles; I just integrate
it all. Sly and Robbie and Grace Jones, they inspire
me big time, but then again, so did so many other people.
It’s just all warped up here somehow, and I’m just delivering
it back out the only way that I know how. And I think
that having a forum [helps], like parties at the Conference
to play for a group of people that understand me the
best because they’re the most like me – DJs and producers.
DJ
Times: Do you think that’s what the difference is,
that you are kind of like the melting pot of all those
things, that other jocks are more representative of
one genre?
Tenaglia:
Yeah, I guess it is that twist. I mean, you listen
to Masters At Work, and it’s genius, and you call it
Nuyorican Soul. They have that sound, nobody can do
it better than them. Armand Van Helden invented speed
garage. When he put out Tori Amos, I said to myself,
“I’ve been doing this a lot longer than Armand Van Helden.
I wonder if I will ever have a sound.” I didn’t think
I had a sound. Now, via media, producers, and my peers,
giving me props – now I know I have a sound. It’s where
tribal meets progressive and deep. It’s always the kick
in the bass and the underlying rhythm being the foundation,
and all the rest is just icing on the cake. Warp it
out, a crazy effect, a filter, this and that on top
of it, and immediately it makes it modern. You’ve gotta
strip it down to the drums and the bass: If you can
groove to that, then it all depends on what you put
on top of that next. I think that’s what we get from
each other.
DJ
Times: What’s next for dance music?
Tenaglia: Somehow, the way it’s all come around,
where I think trance has hit its peak with its Euro-cheesiness
– where people are saying, “Enough of this.” [He imitates
typical trance keys.] Same thing with freestyle: How
many freestyle albums use the same bassline? Same thing
with deep house – how many people can make a record
that sounds like Aly-Us “Follow Me,” or Ten City? It’s
all been done before. So, now, in 2001, I think all
these people that are producing, all the new producers
on the scene, some are listening to the others. Deep
guys are out traveling, at parties where the next room
might be Paul van Dyk – how could you not ignore what
he’s playing? How could you ignore what 2,000 people
are responding to? And as a DJ, you buy records, you
shop, you listen to what is being made. So, the deep
people are incorporating modern technology into their
deep stuff, the trance people are incorporating the
deep stuff, the tribal rhythms, into their progressive
stuff. The tempos: The deep stuff is coming up a little
bit, and the Euro stuff is coming down. They’re meeting
happily in the middle. I’d say 128 is the comfortable
tempo zone. That’s how I did my remix of Depeche Mode;
it’s at 128. You’ve got room to go a little up or down
with, but anything over 130 or 132, loses its groove.
You can’t bop your head to it.
DJ
Times: What’s it like having this fully equipped
studio right in your backyard?
Tenaglia:
This is a completely, 100-percent Pro Tools recording
studio. The console is a Pro Controller, 36 channels.
It can be controlled either by the computer or manually.
I did all the Depeche Mode work here, but I mixed it
in a big console room, because this is still new to
me. The only other song I mixed here was “Lady,” and
I wasn’t completely happy with it sonically. And I can’t
play extremely loud in here; it doesn’t have that nightclub
vibe. I want those big speakers with the sub-bass, so
I did all the drums and keyboards here, and then brought
the session to The Cutting Room on Broadway, mixed it
there, brought it back here, and I could make any changes
I wanted. That’s what is great about it. I was really
ecstatic that they approved it. They said they could
say it was a labor-of-love mix, and that’s what I called
it, “Danny Tenaglia’s Labor of Love Mix.” It really
was.
DJ
Times: What have your studio collaborations been
like?
Tenaglia:
I enjoy collaborating with Tarantella and Redanka. We
learned from each other. We didn’t know each other.
I was hearing their music; they were hearing mine overseas.
They like the funky deeper side of what I was doing,
and I liked the progressive stuff they were doing. We
met in the middle and made “Datar.” I wasn’t musically
trained; I didn’t study music theory. But if you listen
to Tourism, like 90-percent of it is my instrumentation.
I’ll find my way around a keyboard, thanks to the help
of technology and sequencing, but all the basslines
and chords and all those hooks, they’re my ideas, so
I’m somewhat of a musician; I’m a frustrated musician.
I respect other musicians, and I love to bring people
like Peter Daou and keyboard players into my sessions,
to put real musicianship into it.
DJ
Times: They covered your Winter Music Conference
gig in Rolling Stone, and the New York Times, and Spin,
and on MTV Online. What do you think that means, for
you, for dance music?
Tenaglia:
It affects me in a strange way. I don’t really think
much of it. They’re not really focusing on me, they’re
focusing on the Conference, and the fact that I was
one of the highlights of it, or my party was, which
it’s been for several years now. I would probably have
a different comment had Rolling Stone done a piece on
me, and it not been about the Conference. Why doesn’t
Rolling Stone care about dance music? I’ve played music
by artists that they write about, that dance mixes have
been done by sometimes, they just don’t care. I don’t
really think much of it; I just don’t. I do respect
that there are journalists out there who work for those
magazines who pick up on it. But you talk to someone
from Rolling Stone and try to describe the places I’ve
been and the things that I do, they just think about
raves and lollipops.
DJ
Times: Do you see your career in phases? How would
you describe the one you’re in right now?
Tenaglia: The best one. Yeah, because I think
it’s just, I don’t know if it’s irony that the year
2000 happened to be the year that I decided was my 25th
year as a DJ, or as I titled it on the flyer “in the
mix,” ’cause I can’t say I was a professional DJ at
14, but that’s what I was doing. Once I discovered it,
I never turned back; I never did anything else. I’m
not embarrassed to say I left school to do this, because
I pursued my dream. I couldn’t have learned what I know
now in high school. So I pretty much left high school
in 10th grade, because by then I was actively working
as a DJ, whether it be at parties, proms, local nightclubs.
I probably didn’t touch on this in the last interview,
but back in 1975 was when the first 12-inch single ever
became for sale – Salsoul Records put out “Ten Percent”
by Double Exposure. And that was it. I was a DJ at the
time; I bought it. And I figured, that was ’75 when
that single came out, that’s a good year to round off
on, and have the [Winter Music Conference] party at
Space, our first year at Space, and say, let’s celebrate
25 years in the mix.
DJ Times: You’ve been recognized a lot lately,
too…
Tenaglia:
I’ve always had recognition in the United Kingdom and
abroad, but last year seemed to be an exception. DJ
magazine does the “Top 100 DJs in the World,” and three
years in a row they put me as the first American DJ
– I went from 13 to eight to seven, or something like
that. That means a lot to me, but at the same time I’m
not one to shoot for that No. 1 position. I don’t think
I’m better than Carl Cox, Paul van Dyk; we’re just all
good at what we do, at entertaining people. So to me
it’s good to be recognized. Then Muzik magazine, when
they started doing their “Top 50 DJs in the World,”
they put me at No. 1! Then before that happened, I started
doing the Global Underground series, and that put me
on the map even more globally than prior with my association
with Tribal and Twisted. I did Global Athens, Global
London. Then Global Athens was up for Best Compilation
of the Year at last year’s Muzik Awards – I can’t remember
which it lost to. And then this year, I was nominated
for Best International DJ and Best Remix for Green Velvet
“Flash” and I won both. So I flew over to London; it
was televised. It was just exciting, because I’m really
not in this for awards. Whoever knew that there’d be
that for a little kid who wanted to play records, not
for fame, for celebrity, for status, for money. There
was nobody to look up to in that sense to say, “I wanna
be like him, to travel the world.” I just wanted to
be like Larry or somebody, playing a big club with a
good sound system with a crowd who appreciated the music
that I was feeling in my soul, hoping that they would
feel it too. Twenty-five years later, it’s come to that,
but globally, so I’m on top of the world – thanking
God every day.