Instead, small packs of spaghetti-strapped,
black-slacked coeds frolic and wordlessly flirt with
unspeakably cologned, yet buttoned-down, sideburned
males, who sip domestic long necks, feign disinterest,
and awkwardly attempt to keep up with the 130-beat-per-minute
grooves. Everyone is well-dressed and tidy, but the
action on the floor is purely primordial. It’s not about
the music, but something that might interest a sociologist,
perhaps even Marlon Perkins.
Talk about it later with Vicious – himself
a Jersey Shore kid from Long Branch – and it’s apparent
that he deeply understands the scenario and relies on
his patience and vast experience in such endeavors.
Give it time – they’ll get it. Sure enough, within a
quarter hour, as ascending key lines zinged through
the custom Sound Environments speakers and moving-head
Studio Color fixtures whirled multi-colored beams from
the ceiling, the atmosphere
changed. The floor began to pulse and the synapse-snapping
music program took hold. Hands flew in the air and once
again Johnny Vicious had made the greater New York metropolitan
area safe for trance music.
But trance is only Vicious’ latest musical
palette. As a late-’80s New Jersey club jock, Vicious
(née John Coles), like other upfront area jocks, was
house crazy. And after he lucked into a relationship
that gave him free range to remix the rich Salsoul disco
catalog, new creations like “Stand Up,” his techno-flavored
Loleatta Holloway houser, fired up dancefloors on both
sides of the Atlantic and turned his label Vicious Muzik
into a DJ fave.
During that time, legendary New York DJs
like Mark Kamins, Junior Vasquez, Louie Vega, David
Morales and Frankie Knuckles rocked his world as Vicious
held down residencies at Manhattan’s Palladium and Roxy
clubs. He moved into mix shows on area radio (he still
hosts his “Sanctuary” show on WKTU-FM) and began to
span the globe on DJ trips, his world travels opening
his ears to the latest clubland had to offer. And the
remix and production work poured in.
In the mid- and late-’90s, Vicious became
a favorite among major label dance departments and dance-specific
indies, as he handled crossover and underground projects
with equal aplomb. He pumped out original productions
like the Lula-fronted New York rave anthem “Ecstasy
(Take Your Shirts Off)” for Groovilicious and club-ready
remixes for pop-dance confection like No Mercy’s “Kiss
You All Over” for Arista. He turned new club projects
like React’s “Let’s Go All the Way” into chart hits
and put a new trancey spin on superstar cuts like Whitney
Houston’s “It’s Not Right...But It’s OK.” Currently,
Vicious’ name sits with a short list of remixers who
get first crack on top projects.
“Johnny delivers a lot of excitement to
his mixes that really transforms the original version,”
says David Jurman, Sr. Director of Dance Music at Columbia
Records. “Johnny is hired to deliver a series of remixes
that can work for both the club DJ and the mix show
DJ. In addition, edited versions of his mixes can be
used in some instances by rhythmic Top-40 radio stations.”
Arista Sr. Director of A&R Hosh Gureli
is another major label exec who values Vicious’ remix
contributions. “I can’t say enough good things about
Johnny Vicious,” he says. “Not only is he a great remixer
and producer, but he is also one of the nicest, hardest-working
guys in dance music today. I remember once when I came
back from Amsterdam with a few records – I can’t remember
which ones now – and I asked Johnny if he could make
a record like this and he said, ‘Sure!’ I mean, Johnny
can do anything. You give it to him and he’ll deliver.”
Recently, Vicious delivered two new, yet
very different projects. For Jellybean Recordings, he
re-vamped Marshall Jefferson’s house music anthem “Move
Your Body” by stripping the Judy Albanese-fronted groover
down even further and launching the double-12 into tranceland.
On his own Groovilicious track “Sanctuary,” Vicious
injects a building, bludgeoning New York-tribal groove
with heady, filtered trance riffs for great late-night
effect. (Check the truly vicious “Acid Turbo” bonus
cut.) Knowing a hot mixer when it sees one, DJ Times
caught up with Johnny Vicious in his home studio on
Manhattan’s West Side, kicked some history and had him
cough up some studio techniques.
DJ
Times: Do you ever reveal
your real name?
Vicious: Yeah, when someone
has to write a check over to me [laughs].
DJ Times: What are you –
in the Witness Protection Program?
Vicious: In the tax protection
program. No, really, my name is John Coles.
DJ Times: What made you Vicious?
My receptionist thought it was cool that I was interviewing
the dead guy from the Sex Pistols.
Vicious: [Laughs] I was
just trying to come up with a name that was pretty catchy.
It was me and a bunch of friends were sitting down trying
to think of names.
DJ Times: Let’s talk about
your first big break. How did you get access to the
Salsoul catalog?
Johnny Vicious: I was working in
a club in New Jersey and a son of one of the owners
of Salsoul came in and I was playing a Salsoul remix
and he came up to the booth. We talked and they later
hired me to do some promotion for them in New York and
I got in really well with Tom Moulton, who takes care
of all the master tapes. He was also a big mixer in
the ’70s. I was promoting to the Billboard reporters.
From there, I saved some money and bought an Ensoniq
EPS 16 Plus sampler/keyboard and I asked if I could
use the a cappellas and they said, “Take ’em into the
studio and let’s make a record. Everybody’s stealing
from us anyway.” So I started making my tracks.
DJ Times: What was it like
working with that material?
Vicious: Because it was
all real musicians, everything flowed from beginning
to end. When you were a remixer back then you just cut
out what you needed. You just punched in and punched
out on the board. When you’re remixing it, you sample
it, put it on time with your sampling and time stretch
it.
DJ Times: How did you fall
into DJing in New York?
Vicious: A couple friends
brought me to New York to a club called Mars and I heard
Mark Kamins. This was, like, 1989. He was one of the
first DJs I heard who was kind of underground. It was
an “A-List” crowd – there were all these models in there
– but it wasn’t really pretentious. They were going
bananas. It was just a great party and Mark was amazing.
This really pushed me into coming to New York and getting
a job. I kept going to Mars and giving tapes and then
I went to Palladium and every week I’d give them a new
tape. I had to be persistent. There’s no way you could
give them one tape and expect them to give you a gig
on a Saturday night. But pretty soon, I started playing
the Palladium’s corporate events.
DJ Times: And then?
Vicious: Then I got a call
to DJ on Hot 97, when they had dance music. They said,
“Larry Levan is on tonight, but we need a DJ to play
more of the commercial stuff in case he doesn’t bring
those records.” At that time [1990], it was like David
Morales’ mix of Stevie V’s “Dirty Cash,” stuff like
that. I showed up early and met Larry and – wouldn’t
you know it? — I played for an hour. It just happened
to be playing with Larry Levan. It was amazing. From
there, I did The Roxy for seven years.
DJ Times: How did that early
’90s New York scene influence you as a DJ?
Vicious: I would DJ at Roxy,
leave there and listen to Junior [Vasquez] at Sound
Factory. I’d come back to Roxy the next week and play
what Junior played. I just wanted to DJ like Junior,
but I also wanted to DJ like Frankie Knuckles, like
David Morales, like Louie Vega. Everybody had something
that I really liked. Junior was groundbreaking and his
mixing was off-the-wall. You had no idea what he was
doing with the record. He’d surprise you all the time.
He still does it. At the time Frankie was doing Roxy,
his album came out. His whole run of productions and
mixes after “The Whistle Song” was amazing. It was pretty.
It had vocals. David Morales’ stuff was amazing, like
Mariah Carey “Dreamlover,” “Lemon” U2, that whole sound.
His productions were just perfect. What I loved about
Louie was his whole house sound. He’d go back and play
classics. He the best DJ I ever heard for classics.
His timing is perfect and his productions are amazing.
Danny Tenaglia’s another one. So, I’d listen to all
these guys and take a piece of all of them and incorporate
it into my sound.
DJ Times: What do you make
of the New York scene today?
Vicious: Right now, the
sound is dated. It’s kind of like when it was stuck
in the whole freestyle thing. There’s a whole generation
of kids out there that just wants to hear new music
whether it’s garage or trance or whatever. Now if you’re
playing all that New York stuff you’re considered like
a freestyle DJ, but you’re playing New York-style hard
house. It’s stale. C’mon guys, move onto something else.
Change is good.
DJ Times: And on the political
front?
Vicious: Mayor Giuliani
is trying – but he’s not succeeding – in killing the
club life in New York. He might have shut down some
titty bars, but people want to dance – and there’s nothing
wrong with dancing.
DJ Times: Why do you find
trance music so interesting these days?
Vicious: I’m always changing.
I even got into jungle a little – I played it on my
radio show and in the clubs some. I just love progressive
music and I try to stay ahead of the pack. I’ve been
playing trance for about four years now. Before, nobody
here knew what it was. I got a lot of exposure because
I’ve been going overseas DJing a lot. I brought a lot
of that sound to the U.S. and it caught on. I’m not
saying that I did it because there have been a lot of
other people who played it, too. The people who really
did it for me were Sasha and Digweed and then Paul Oakenfold,
Paul Van Dyk. All those guys really turned me on.
DJ Times: So you were checking
out those Friday nights at Twilo?
Vicious: Yeah, it really
caught my ear. But moreover, it confirmed my ear [laughs].
I was into it, but they really pushed me to go into
that vein of music.
DJ Times: As a DJ, what’s
the trick to playing trance?
Vicious: It’s not all about
playing the best songs that just came out that week.
It’s about playing the best songs of that genre of music.
I can go from playing the newest thing that came out
or something that’s not coming out for six months to
“Age of Love” that came out in 1989 because it has the
same sound of what I’m playing right now. Some people
will recognize it – because this whole trance thing
happened before – and some will think it’s a brand new
song. When you’re mixing it, you want to keep the same
key of the music. It’s very important to keeping the
same flow of the music. When the key changes, you have
to change with it. You’re not just matching beats. You’re
matching the whole feeling of the music. You’re matching
strings. You’re matching arpeggiation. You’re going
from one bassline to another bassline in the same key
where nobody’s even going to tell that you’re mixing.
That’s the beauty of the rhythm of trance.
DJ Times: When you’re playing
trance to, say, a suburban crowd like in Sayreville
the other night, how do you try to win them over?
Vicious: At Hunka Bunka,
it took me an hour and a half to get people into the
trance mood. I mean, they were like, “OK,” until the
last five songs. Then they went nuts. We got hands in
the air. It’s a challenge to do something like that,
but you’ve got to create a mood and get their heads
out of hearing the Amber and Veronica and Whitney and
Venga Boys and try to make them forget about it. Then
an hour later when they’re a little buzzed they’ll start
getting into the music. It’s all about creating a whole
vibe. Once you got that, just take it and don’t let
it go.
DJ Times: How often do you
DJ?
Vicious: It depends on the
month, depends on whether I’m going away. I’ve been
to Australia, Japan and Russia all in the same month.
Then I had gigs in the U.S. between that. I can be booked
from Thursday to Sunday one weekend and be off the next
weekend.
DJ Times: Favorite clubs?
Best experiences?
Vicious: My favorite? It
wasn’t even a club. I did EuroPride in France and it
was in a park with 40,000 people. They had nowhere to
go except to dance. That was actually the biggest gig
I’ve ever done. The most amazing? There are two places.
One was in Estonia at a place called Vibe NYC, which
was an old coal refinery. They had these five huge engines
on each side of the room. People were up on top of them
just dancing around. There were valves and pipes, totally
industrial. If Giuliani were around he’d shut this place
down in about 20 seconds [laughs]. They had TurboSound
in there with 18s in each cabinet with a quad system.
It was amazing. The other was the Museum of Contemporary
Art in Sydney, Australia, where they had the Keith Haring
exhibit. It was in one of their main rooms right in
the middle of the museum. They had to actually cover
the floor and take out insurance just for the carpet.
There were 40-foot ceilings and in the morning when
the sun came up they had shades that came up and people
were dancing on the windowsills. That was amazing.
DJ Times: You must get inspired
by your trips to Europe.
Vicious: When I come back
it makes me want to remix or produce right away. It
makes me want to produce what they’re making out there
or produce something that they’re going to want to make
out there. The U.S. is a little behind in the whole
trance scene right now. It’s getting more musical now.
But it’s hard. Over here, y’know, you just have to read
your crowd. That’s the only thing I can recommend to
DJs.
DJ Times: Which producers
really have your ear now?
Vicious: Tiesto from Holland.
He’s awesome. Ferry Corsten. As a producer, I like William
Orbit. He does amazing stuff. Lanch. Paul Van Dyk. I
like the sounds that Paul Oakenfold has been playing
as a DJ.
DJ Times: What’s your perfect
DJ booth?
Vicious: Looking at Junior’s
booth is pretty comfortable [laughs]. Basically, my
own bartender [laughs]. My own bathroom [laughs]. A
lot of Red Bull because you know I’ll be DJing for 18
hours. No, really, three Technics, the UREI mixer, a
three-way crossover – because I think the five-way is
a little too much. I’d use the Denon CD players, although
I also like the Pioneers 700s. I’d bring the Korg DL8000R
processor because it has really cool effects. I’d use
any kind of monitors, as long as they’re big, loud and
they don’t pop. I like the Technics DJ headphones because
it has amazing bass and it’s very clear.
DJ Times: Do you have a general
approach to DJing?
Vicious: When I play, I
try not to introduce myself as a DJ where you stop the
music and go, “J-J-Johnny Vicious!” I like to keep going
from what the DJ before me was playing and develop it
into what I want to play. Whether he’s playing some
soulful or tribal, I can come out of that and slowly
progress into what I want to play. But if you’re starting
out the night, you don’t go right into your peak-hour
stuff.
DJ Times: Let’s talk about
your studio. Tell me about your sampler.
Vicious: I use a Roland
S760 because it has more memory than most samplers and
it has really cool filters that you can trigger with
a touch of a keyboard. It has stereo samples and it
can hook up to a monitor, so you can see the samples
on a TV. You can do your cutting and looping and splicing
just by looking at the TV.
DJ Times: And your sequencing
program?
Vicious: I use Opcode Vision,
but I’m going to learn Logic soon. When I first started
out, I didn’t know much about computers or sequencing.
I only used my EPS 16 Plus as a main sequencer and I’d
have everything else triggered from that. Then I met
Satoshi Tomiie, who taught me how to sequence from Vision.
I love it because it does everything that I’d want,
as far as putting a track together. It does quick volume
level changes to get a gating effect that a lot of other
sequencers can’t do. You can make the vocal cut in and
cut out or do it on the speed of a hi-hat. You have
a hi-hat going on a 16th of a note, then you can have the
vocal get louder and lower on that same 16th of a note and it
has a gating effect.
DJ Times: Your board?
Vicious: I have a Mackie
D8B digital 8. Boards that are not digital are good
for people who are just starting out. I used my [Alesis]
X2 for about four years, but the problem was that there
was no way to save the EQs or level changes. But with
the digital 8-bus you can save all your EQs, go work
on another track and come back to that first track.
It’s better than writing down all the EQs.
DJ Times: What special treatment
did you give to Whitney Houston’s voice on your remix
of “It’s Not Right…But It’s OK”?
Vicious: I used two Korg
processor units, the DL8000 and AM 8000, on her vocals
because they have really cool sounding pre-programmed
effects inside of them. They have phasing which actually
filters and delays her vocals. I also used the Sony
MP5, this cool car-radio-looking effect unit and the
Zoom. I also used the Alesis Wedge for reverb sounds.
I used an Avalon compressor/EQ, which is a tube compressor
that makes vocals really warm and the compression on
it helps brings the vocal up to the front of the track.
On the Whitney mix, her vocal is the most important
thing on the track and I needed something that would
complement her vocal. My engineer Kenny [Lewis], who
works with a lot of vocalists like Diana Ross, came
over and EQed the vocals. Then Guido [Osorio of Razor
N’ Guido] came over and EQed the track. So I had the
best of both worlds. On the rest of the track, I also
incorporated some of the effects that I used on her
vocals into the percussions. Everything flows better.
DJ Times: In your remixing
process, you had to take an R&B song and make a
trancey house track. How do you time-stretch a recognizable
voice like Whitney Houston?
Vicious: Nowadays, it’s
easy. You take the original track and record it into
the computer and time-stretch that to the beat of your
tempo. Simple. I do it in the Vision program. A lot
of people do it in Pro Tools or whatever, but for me
since my sequencing is in Vision I have the audio of
the original track going with my track from beginning
to end. The only thing that can screw it up is if they
edit the original track and their edits are off. So,
I’ll try to follow a beat that’s not in sequence to
begin with. I usually take the first minute of the song
and make sure it’s on beat. I find out exactly what
tempo the song is in my sequencer – because all
sequencers have different tempos that are off milliseconds
– and I match up the beats from the original song and
I stretch the song to the new tempo that I want. I make
sure that tempo is exact with the original song. Then
I take her a cappella vocal and stretch that from the
original tempo to the new tempo. Sometimes you have
to take a little bit off on the tempo, like 133.22 just
to have the exact vocal on all across the board.
DJ Times: Why do you think
that mix worked?
Vicious: It was different.
I just wanted to make a really trancey track underneath
her vocal, but something that was radio-friendly. I
don’t think commercial radio responded to it, but the
mix show DJs did – because it was still underground
and it didn’t hit the radio and it didn’t go as commercial
as the Thunderpuss 2000 mix did. They had an alternative
to play. Everybody wanted to be progressive and underground
and I was right at the head of it here for the U.S.
DJ Times: What’s it like
for a remixer to get your hands on a Whitney Houston
record?
Vicious: It really depends
on how long you’ve been a remixer. When I was first
starting out, if I got my hands on a Whitney vocal I
would’ve chopped it up and made the most amazing track
that I could. When I did get it, that’s how I felt.
But I took my knowledge and did the best I could. Getting
a vocal like that, I mean, if you don’t do something
spectacular with it then don’t do it at all. You’ve
got to turn it out. You have to make it fit. You have
to have the strings in there to work with the vocals.
You have to have the keyboards in there to change in
the keys that she’s changing in. That really makes it
work. I sat there with my keyboard player Michael Nigro
for hours, going through different chord changes that
went with her vocals and finding the best one that fit
exactly with what she was doing.
DJ Times: React’s “Let’s
Go All the Way” – what was that song when you got it
and what did you do with it?
Vicious: When I first got
it, you know, it was a boy song, like a New Kids on
the Block song. I basically wanted to turn it around
to a New York club record – something that I’d play
or my friends would play. Eddie Baez was really into
it. A lot of people were into the vocals. I thought
it was a good song and it would work for the dancefloor,
so I did it. What I did at the end of it – the dub –
was what I really wanted to do. At the end of the day,
if there’s a song that’s good, but not something that
I’d really play as a DJ, I’d make a dub to it so that
I would play it as a DJ. There are a lot of DJs out
there who are into the rave scene, for example, and
I know they wouldn’t play a vocal like that during a
rave. But if I do a dub, there’s a chance.
DJ Times: So what do you
do with your dubs?
Vicious: I try to make my
dubs not like any regular dub. I make ’em like an anthem.
I’ve learned from people like MK, where he’s taken dubs
and dubs were the main song. The vocal was good, but
the dub was the song. My whole formula is to give the
label a two-in-one. That’s my marketing plan to the
record company – remix the regular song and do a dub.
But it’s just not a dub – it’s a mix. It’s a whole new
entity, something that doesn’t sound anything like the
original. Usually dubs are just cut-up pieces of the
original. I started that idea with Hosh Gureli of Arista
when I remixed No Mercy “Kiss You All Over.” I started
making the dubs from that.
DJ Times: So what was the
process with React?
Vicious: It took me two
hours to do, basically. I sat down and found some off-the-wall
sounds that I could use in the song. I sat at the [Roland]
JP-8000 synth for about a half hour and made that riff
sound that’s in the song. I bugged out for a while with
my headphones. When I’ve got my headphones on, I’m in
a different universe. I was also on about 33 hours with
no sleep. I was kind of hallucinating [laughs], and
that’s when it came out. The bass line came out and
that’s when everything matched up. Since I don’t really
play keyboards, I have my keyboard player put dots down
on every key that’s in key with the song. I don’t know
how to do chords. I can probably figure it out, but
it’ll take me about two years.
DJ Times: How do you two
work?
Vicious: He doesn’t even
know, but I’m recording him half the time. I record
him and keep it. I come back later on and listen. He’s
like, “Whaddya mean? I just did a couple of riffs there.”
And I’ll say, “No, you got a lot in there.” I just sit
in the studio and bug out to what he’s done. I chop
it up and change it around. A lot of times he comes
back and has no idea what I’ve changed or what I did.
DJ Times: Why do you like
to use guitar pedals and effects in your mixes?
Vicious: Guitars use a lot
of phasing and flanging and that makes percussion sound
really cool. You can put a guitar through it and it’ll
make it sound like you’ve got a Marshall stack right
there. But if you take that sound and put percussion
sound, it’s just amazing. You can get some sick sounds.
Then you sample that and put it through another effect.
It’s endless what you can do. Sampling just makes things
endless. But back to the guitar effects, all the pre-programmed
modules from the factory are really cool. For example,
the producer Hani has a T.C. Electronic G-Force and
it’s great. Look in some old second-hand stores and
listen to some stuff. Read the boxes.
DJ Times: You were also telling
me before that you’re a real filter freak.
Vicious: Filters change
the whole sound of the mix, in the middle of the mix.
These filters that I’m using – Filter Factory by Electrix
– are great. As a DJ, it’s a really cool tool because
you can tap it and it can go on beat and you can use
the LFOs and synch up how the filter is opening up and
closing while you’re mixing. You have to play with it
a little bit to understand, but you’ll get it. If it’s
in your DJ setup you’ll learn how to use it. The [Electrix]
Warp Factory is really cool, too, as far as using it
as a Vocoder. I use it as a weird siren. It has this
button that freezes the sound that’s going through it
and you can turn the order and the robot pitch that
gives the low-to-high siren sound and it’s really warp-y.
It’s a cool thing to have. As a DJ I would use the Filter
Factory; as a producer or remixer I’d have the Warp
Factory.
DJ Times: Give me an example
of when and how would you use a filter.
Vicious: Well, in my remixes,
I’m using it as a crossover. For example, when a vocal
that you really love comes in, you can turn the bass
down when you really want the vocal to shine. Then at
the high point of the vocal, you can bring the bass
back in. That’s something that you can do with Filter
Factory. You can really, really take the bass out. There’s
no hint of bass whatsoever. You can go all the way up
into the high end where the highs are just screaming
and there’s nothing else except for the highs and it’s
amazing. During my productions now, I’ve been using
the Filter Factory…I would send all the instruments,
except for the vocals through the Filter Factory, then
filter the song while I’m producing. Actually while
the sequencer is recording my changes in this Filter
Factory, it records everything that I touch on the Filter
Factory. But when you’re DJing, you use the tap. Of
course, everything is in real-time because you’re not
using any MIDI while you’re DJing. When I’m remixing,
I’d use it on “Do It Properly” – the collaboration that
Victor [Calderone] and Peter Rauhofer did – and most
recently on the Judy Albanese “Move Your Body [House
Music Anthem]” record that was put out on Jellybean.
DJ Times: I notice you named
a couple of the mixes on the Judy Albanese single “Filter
Factory Mix” and “Filter Factory Anthem.” How did you
use the Filter Factory on that one?
Vicious: I have two of those
and I put one on the whole rhythm track – the drums
and bass line – but I left the pianos out of the Filter
Factory. The way you do that is to bus all the instruments
into the Filter Factory and the pianos and vocals are
left alone. Then I put another filter onto the pianos
so I can change the filter of the pianos at a different
time, then I can change the filter of the track. Again,
this whole time the vocals are left alone, so she doesn’t
sound filtered at all – and that’s the beauty of the
track. When you hear all the instruments cutting out
and you hear the bassline coming in everything is going
through the Filter Factory and I’m just filtering the
shit out of the track. The filter also lets the bass
get really, really subby and go really low. It has a
really cool effect. It might blow some woofers, so watch
out [laughs].
DJ Times: For a DJ/remixer
who has been doing it awhile, what’s it like to see
so many companies targeting this remix market now?
Vicious: There’s a lot of
stuff out there. The ones that are staying and hanging
in for the long run are the sound modules that have
a lot of thought put into them. They’re not just thrown
together and they have really cool sounds. These companies
have looked – like Roland has – in their own libraries
and they found out what they did with, like, a Jupiter
6 and why it worked and they put the same knobs on the
new gear that they had on the old gear. Producers love
to screw around with buttons and knobs and find their
own sounds. Even though a lot of it is digitally reproduced,
you can really screw around with sounds, which is really
cool. A lot of the new kids that are coming up don’t
really know how to do it and it’s going to take them
a couple of years to actually understand what an LFO
is, how to use it, how to change it, how to change the
rate. I’m still learning. It’s takes me awhile to mentally
figure out what I’m trying to do sometimes.
DJ Times: What’s more creative
for you – original productions or remixes?
Vicious: My original productions
come from inside. I know what I want and that’s the
easy part of it. And when I’m working with a vocalist,
it takes a lot longer because I have to record the vocals
in. I mean, that’s not so hard. If Whitney Houston came
in the studio and wanted to record vocals, I’m sure
we could bang out 30 songs, you know [laughs]. It’s
actually really amazing how the other producers – and
I’m not at that level yet – have a lot of harmonization
going on and the background vocals are singing this
while she’s singing that and doing ad libs. It’s like,
“Wow!” The creativeness in these producers’ minds is
amazing and I haven’t gotten to that level yet. I’m
getting there and hopefully one day I will be able to
produce something like that with her or someone of her
caliber.